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Sunday, July 10, 2005
What do you call ..
A Letter to the British People.
From Iman as-Saadun.
I’m sending this letter to the British people and in particular to the residents of London. For a period of hours, you have lived through moments of desperate anxiety and horror. In those hours you lost a member of your family or a friend, and we wish to tell you in total honesty that we too grieve when human lives pass away. I cannot tell you how much we hurt when we see desperation and pain on the face of another person. For we have lived through this situation – and continue to live through it every day – since your country and the United States formed an alliance and laid plans to attack Iraq.
The Prime Minister of your country, Tony Blair, said that those who carried out the explosions did so in the name of Islam. The Secretary of State of the United States, Condaleezza Rice, described the bombings as an act of barbarism. The United Nations Security Council met and unanimously condemned the event.
I would like to ask you, the free British people, to allow me to inquire: in whose name was our country blockaded for 12 years? In whose name were our cities bombed using internationally prohibited weapons? In whose name did the British army kill Iraqis and torture them? Was that in your name? Or in the name of religion? Or humanity? Or freedom? Or democracy?
What do you call the killing of more than two million children? What do you call the pollution of the soil and the water with depleted uranium and other lethal substances?
What do you call what happened in the prisons in Iraq – in Abu Ghraib, Camp Bucca and the many other prison camps? What do you call the torture of men, women, and children? What do you call tying bombs to the bodies of prisoners and blowing them apart? What do you call the refinement of methods of torture for use on Iraqi prisoners – such as pulling off limbs, gouging out eyes, putting out cigarettes on their skin, and using cigarette lighters to set fire to the hair on their heads? Does the word “barbaric” adequately describe the behavior of your troops in Iraq?
May we ask why the Security Council did not condemn the massacre in al-Amiriyah and what happened in al-Fallujah, Tal‘afar, Sadr City, and an-Najaf? Why does the world watch as our people are killed and tortured and not condemn the crimes being committed against us? Are you human beings and we something less? Do you think that only you can feel pain and we can’t? In fact it is we who are most aware of how intense is the pain of the mother who has lost her child, or the father who has lost his family. We know very well how painful it is to lose those you love.
You don’t know our martyrs, but we know them. You don’t remember them, but we remember them. You don’t cry over them, but we cry over them.
Have you heard the name of the little girl Hannan Salih Matrud? Or of the boy Ahmad Jabir Karim? Or Sa‘id Shabram?
Yes, our dead have names too. They have faces and stories and memories. There was a time when they were among us, laughing and playing. They had dreams, just as you have. They had a tomorrow awaiting them. But today they sleep among us with no tomorrow on which to wake.
We don’t hate the British people or the peoples of the world. This war was imposed upon us, but we are now fighting it in defense of our selves. Because we want to live in our homeland – the free land of Iraq – and to live as we want to live, not as your government or the American government wish.
Let the families of those killed know that responsibility for the Thursday morning London bombings lies with Tony Blair and his policies.
Stop your war against our people! Stop the daily killing that your troops commit! End your occupation of our homeland!
A Letter to the British People, (in Arabic and English) AlBasrah.net, July 9, 2005
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Putting my own feelings aside for a moment i find this a touching letter..But in reality it will only cause an adverse effect..Lets address a couple of things in it, first thing thats of interest to me is where he recived his education, USA? BRITON? Are these countries to be used then abused for pleasure and personal gain? Also please post any .gov sites containing the policies mentioned by so many yet proved by so few..
Why wasent this letter sent five or ten years ago?..I'de guess it couldnt be sent for fear of him loseing his life or just didnt have the ability to, ie:internet..Lives were being lost long before America came in and it was OK then? Or were iraqis to affraid? Or was being hearded the only thing they knew at the time?
Seventy percent of this letter seems to be drum beating, ide venture to say when he says (we are now fighting) its only symbolic, meaning , he is with them in thought only..
One of the few people who hasent changed there idels but has changed the way they go about getting them is Sadr..to live in the now and think of the future while adapting to your suroundings shows there interest is pure.
Why wasent this letter sent five or ten years ago?..I'de guess it couldnt be sent for fear of him loseing his life or just didnt have the ability to, ie:internet..Lives were being lost long before America came in and it was OK then? Or were iraqis to affraid? Or was being hearded the only thing they knew at the time?
Seventy percent of this letter seems to be drum beating, ide venture to say when he says (we are now fighting) its only symbolic, meaning , he is with them in thought only..
One of the few people who hasent changed there idels but has changed the way they go about getting them is Sadr..to live in the now and think of the future while adapting to your suroundings shows there interest is pure.
Dear TSHearn, where in the letter does this man say "I want Saddam back"? He doesn't say it, does he?
Saddam was hard or almost impossible to displace not just because of his suffocating security apparatus, but also because he was well supported by the west up until the 90's. We forget this don't we?
Do you say that if Saddam behaved that way, then our politicians and troops should behave in the same way?
What happened to "Operation Iraqi Freedom"?
It is true, everyday in Iraq 60-70 Iraqis die and yet such events rarely even get 2 mins on the BBC news per day. No-one even raises an eye-brow here at that.
Oh, I suppose occasionally we hear politicians and even people on the street say "well, freedom does not come cheap"
But what happens when tables are turned on NY, Madrid and London? Suddenly we all hear individual stories of sorrow and speeches by our politicians proclaiming that such attacks on innocents are barbaric. If they believe their own words they should pull their butchering troops from Iraq now and either get UN troops in there or let Iraqi government fend for itself, as it should. They have to sooner or later.
The Iraqi government needs to get its act together and put Iraqi people ahead of themselves for once.
The only person beating a drum here is you because your comments are so predictable and unoriginal.
Now go take that primrose oil I told you about. Rest hot-water bottle on your abdomen, that should help too
Saddam was hard or almost impossible to displace not just because of his suffocating security apparatus, but also because he was well supported by the west up until the 90's. We forget this don't we?
Do you say that if Saddam behaved that way, then our politicians and troops should behave in the same way?
What happened to "Operation Iraqi Freedom"?
It is true, everyday in Iraq 60-70 Iraqis die and yet such events rarely even get 2 mins on the BBC news per day. No-one even raises an eye-brow here at that.
Oh, I suppose occasionally we hear politicians and even people on the street say "well, freedom does not come cheap"
But what happens when tables are turned on NY, Madrid and London? Suddenly we all hear individual stories of sorrow and speeches by our politicians proclaiming that such attacks on innocents are barbaric. If they believe their own words they should pull their butchering troops from Iraq now and either get UN troops in there or let Iraqi government fend for itself, as it should. They have to sooner or later.
The Iraqi government needs to get its act together and put Iraqi people ahead of themselves for once.
The only person beating a drum here is you because your comments are so predictable and unoriginal.
Now go take that primrose oil I told you about. Rest hot-water bottle on your abdomen, that should help too
I listen to representatives of Islam on TV required by curt sneering interviewers to defend themselves, Islam and Muslims. The interviews are never fair and open discussions. The questions and presuppositions are of the "Have you stopped beating your wife?" variety.
Surely the main reason these brave persons agree to participate in such charades is the knowledge that to decline would result in being labelled "uncooperative, having something to hide."
More appropriate, I think, would be a similar confrontation with, eg Billy Graham, demanding to know what steps are being taken by those he represents to halt terrorism committed by "Christians", asking for his condemnation of barbarities perpetrated abroad in our name. This, of course, is beyond the pale. We are pale.
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"Who did it?" remains relevant. Who benefits?
London Underground Bombing 'Exercises' Took Place at Same Time as Real Attack
NEW YORK, 9/11: "The CIA was conducting drills of flying hijacked planes into the WTC and Pentagon at 8:30 in the morning.
"The Anglo-American establishment that controls the military-industrial complex of the West has been caught over a hundred times carrying out bombings and other terrorist attacks around the world to further their corporate aims and to blame their enemies.
"The US government has been caught planning to carry out attacks and carrying out attacks. The British government has been caught red-handed as well. Members of Vladimir Putin's FSB were caught planting bombs in a Russian apartment building in 1999 by the Moscow police.
"This is not speculation. Kermit Roosevelt admited on NPR radio that in 1953 the CIA and British intelligence carried out a wave of bombings and shootings in Iran. He then went on to brag about how they subsequently blamed the bombings on Iran's President, Mossadegh.
"The London bombings have the same signature as the Madrid bombings of 3/11. Both of these bombings are almost indistinguishable from the Bolognia bombing in 1980 that killed over 80 people.
"In any crime you look at history and motive, The British government has been caught in multiple examples of carrying out bombings in London which were then blamed on the IRA."
Surely the main reason these brave persons agree to participate in such charades is the knowledge that to decline would result in being labelled "uncooperative, having something to hide."
More appropriate, I think, would be a similar confrontation with, eg Billy Graham, demanding to know what steps are being taken by those he represents to halt terrorism committed by "Christians", asking for his condemnation of barbarities perpetrated abroad in our name. This, of course, is beyond the pale. We are pale.
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"Who did it?" remains relevant. Who benefits?
London Underground Bombing 'Exercises' Took Place at Same Time as Real Attack
NEW YORK, 9/11: "The CIA was conducting drills of flying hijacked planes into the WTC and Pentagon at 8:30 in the morning.
"The Anglo-American establishment that controls the military-industrial complex of the West has been caught over a hundred times carrying out bombings and other terrorist attacks around the world to further their corporate aims and to blame their enemies.
"The US government has been caught planning to carry out attacks and carrying out attacks. The British government has been caught red-handed as well. Members of Vladimir Putin's FSB were caught planting bombs in a Russian apartment building in 1999 by the Moscow police.
"This is not speculation. Kermit Roosevelt admited on NPR radio that in 1953 the CIA and British intelligence carried out a wave of bombings and shootings in Iran. He then went on to brag about how they subsequently blamed the bombings on Iran's President, Mossadegh.
"The London bombings have the same signature as the Madrid bombings of 3/11. Both of these bombings are almost indistinguishable from the Bolognia bombing in 1980 that killed over 80 people.
"In any crime you look at history and motive, The British government has been caught in multiple examples of carrying out bombings in London which were then blamed on the IRA."
Heidi: I can understand you being angry with me for the simple fact of ( truth hurts). Since you seem to think the london bombing was a reaction from the iraq action then wheres the proof?..Any sites? Letters? Notes? even a fax?? Or is just what you wish to belive. That you want your own country to suffer. You. Now these 60-70 dieing in iraq everyday is a truth inbetween all that and who are they caused by?..Guys who want to disrupt the country even more and with hopes of makeing it into another iran.
Thanks for the site Evelyn but as we all know theres always people out there who think someone is after them, all the time, night and day..I belive that why prozac was invinted.
Still no sites on US or Britton policies towards the middle east?
I'm beginning to think its a thing of someone reading what they want to see instead of reading what it says.
Funny how that applies to some things here eh Heidi?
Thanks for the site Evelyn but as we all know theres always people out there who think someone is after them, all the time, night and day..I belive that why prozac was invinted.
Still no sites on US or Britton policies towards the middle east?
I'm beginning to think its a thing of someone reading what they want to see instead of reading what it says.
Funny how that applies to some things here eh Heidi?
"I remember with sadness meeting thousands of Iraqis in 1999 when I led a group of Nobel Peace Prize winners to Baghdad. We asked everyone the simple question, “What do you want us to do?” Everyone we met, from the Papal Nuncio to the Muslim Iman to the non-governmental organization leaders (including the late, great Margaret Hassan) to hundreds of high school children to the hundreds of mothers holding their dying children, said: “Don’t kill us!” That sounds so obvious, but they said it with tears. If you want to help us, don’t kill us! If you want us to live in peace, don’t kill us! If you want us to be friends with you, don’t kill us! If you want Iraq to create a new democracy, don’t kill us! Send us food and medicine instead, and fund nonviolent, democratic movements for peace. Then, we will live in peace with you."
The idea of feeding , clothing , funding and treating the illness of people because there unwilling to help themselfs first is a little disturbing to me..The US isnt a dollar store nor is it the red cross..Evelyn would you invite the murders of Mrs.Hassan into your house, feed and cloth them just to buy your way into a false frindship?
12 steps isnt the fix for this.
Iraqis will have to take charge, stop there own from killing one another ie:help themselfs.
12 steps isnt the fix for this.
Iraqis will have to take charge, stop there own from killing one another ie:help themselfs.
TSHearn-
As per the quote, Iraqis asked for none of the things you suggest. Their plea, rather, was "Don't kill us."
Precisely as you would prefer, they would love nothing more than to be allowed, in peace, to help themselves.
As per the quote, Iraqis asked for none of the things you suggest. Their plea, rather, was "Don't kill us."
Precisely as you would prefer, they would love nothing more than to be allowed, in peace, to help themselves.
TSHearn-
You ask whether I would invite the murderers of Mrs.Hassan into my house. My answer: NO. Further, I believe Iraqis would respond similarly.
I leave for your consideration this article, Who Killed Margaret Hassan?
"And when it percolated through to Fallujah and Ramadi that the mere act of kidnapping Hassan was close to heresy, the combined resistance groups of Fallujah - and the message genuinely came from them - demanded her release."
With respect to Margaret Hassan's murder, as with London and many other horrors, we must ask: WHO BENEFITS?
You ask whether I would invite the murderers of Mrs.Hassan into my house. My answer: NO. Further, I believe Iraqis would respond similarly.
I leave for your consideration this article, Who Killed Margaret Hassan?
"And when it percolated through to Fallujah and Ramadi that the mere act of kidnapping Hassan was close to heresy, the combined resistance groups of Fallujah - and the message genuinely came from them - demanded her release."
With respect to Margaret Hassan's murder, as with London and many other horrors, we must ask: WHO BENEFITS?
Dear TSHearn, no I am not angry with you at all. I rarely get angry as I am quite a docile person really. The extent of my anger is a bit of a sulk....anyway....
Now to your frustrations...
You say that Iraqis are being killed by guys that want to disrupt the country and who want to create another Iran? I think the insurgency is a little more complex than that, it is "multifaceted". Yes there are religious nutters who want an Islamic state and then there are those who just want the occupation to end.
Read your history books TSHearn
invasion + occupation = resistance.
You think it will be so easy to colonise Baghdad with KFCs, MacDonalds and Starbucks? Think again.
Who wants to be colonised by a bunch of fat ignorant hotdog-eating Republicans?
You also seem in denial. Whenever there has been an organised bomb attack on our British cities, it invariably contains a very typical message "Get out and stop occupying". The IRA did it and now those who are frustrated about Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine are doing it. After you eliminate the Irish, that is what you are left with and nothing else.
Contrary to what you think, I do not want my own people to suffer. I work in London and missed one of the bombs literally by a whisker.
I also missed a huge IRA bomb attack by a few minutes, 10 years ago in Manchester.
I grew up scared in 1980s Britain during the IRA mainland bombing campaign.
Images of dead children and military horses ripped to pieces are still vivid in my memory.
So you see, I really don't like the thought of someone coming here to kill our people, or me for that matter. I have a bit of a phobia with bombs!
As for Margaret Hassan? The people who killed her are just another facet of the insurgency but obviously the most undesirable, criminal facet. As I said, the insurgency in Iraq is not homogenous.
Have you taken that primrose oil yet? Believe me it works, just ask Aunty Heidi, your agony aunt. Advice is free!
Now to your frustrations...
You say that Iraqis are being killed by guys that want to disrupt the country and who want to create another Iran? I think the insurgency is a little more complex than that, it is "multifaceted". Yes there are religious nutters who want an Islamic state and then there are those who just want the occupation to end.
Read your history books TSHearn
invasion + occupation = resistance.
You think it will be so easy to colonise Baghdad with KFCs, MacDonalds and Starbucks? Think again.
Who wants to be colonised by a bunch of fat ignorant hotdog-eating Republicans?
You also seem in denial. Whenever there has been an organised bomb attack on our British cities, it invariably contains a very typical message "Get out and stop occupying". The IRA did it and now those who are frustrated about Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine are doing it. After you eliminate the Irish, that is what you are left with and nothing else.
Contrary to what you think, I do not want my own people to suffer. I work in London and missed one of the bombs literally by a whisker.
I also missed a huge IRA bomb attack by a few minutes, 10 years ago in Manchester.
I grew up scared in 1980s Britain during the IRA mainland bombing campaign.
Images of dead children and military horses ripped to pieces are still vivid in my memory.
So you see, I really don't like the thought of someone coming here to kill our people, or me for that matter. I have a bit of a phobia with bombs!
As for Margaret Hassan? The people who killed her are just another facet of the insurgency but obviously the most undesirable, criminal facet. As I said, the insurgency in Iraq is not homogenous.
Have you taken that primrose oil yet? Believe me it works, just ask Aunty Heidi, your agony aunt. Advice is free!
TSHearn
Your comments are so delicate !!
Iman As-Saadon is a former reporter who was disbanded by Bremer within a week of his 'colonial stewardship'.
She has a burning rage, which no lighted fuse might infuse in you.
Only your fogged lenses would mistake her for me, humbly speaking.
If only you knew the history of the Saadoon tribe (in the South of Iraq) and the As-Saadoon family.
Iraq's first prime minister in 1921, Abdul Muhsin As-Saadoon committed suicide leaving a will stating that since he is unable to convince the British to let his elected cabinet rule Iraq, he would take his life than submit to their dictates; and that was in 1921. He preferred death. His bronze statue, erected in the As-Sadoon Street named after him, was stolen a few months after "Liberation" for the value of the bronze, but was nonetheless re-enacted by Iraqis, in fiber glass, and erected at the same spot.
Watch for more (not on CNN and FOX), coming soon enough.
Take Heidi's suggestion. Get a hot-water bottle.
And do donate it to Bush! He needs it much more than you.
Your comments are so delicate !!
Iman As-Saadon is a former reporter who was disbanded by Bremer within a week of his 'colonial stewardship'.
She has a burning rage, which no lighted fuse might infuse in you.
Only your fogged lenses would mistake her for me, humbly speaking.
If only you knew the history of the Saadoon tribe (in the South of Iraq) and the As-Saadoon family.
Iraq's first prime minister in 1921, Abdul Muhsin As-Saadoon committed suicide leaving a will stating that since he is unable to convince the British to let his elected cabinet rule Iraq, he would take his life than submit to their dictates; and that was in 1921. He preferred death. His bronze statue, erected in the As-Sadoon Street named after him, was stolen a few months after "Liberation" for the value of the bronze, but was nonetheless re-enacted by Iraqis, in fiber glass, and erected at the same spot.
Watch for more (not on CNN and FOX), coming soon enough.
Take Heidi's suggestion. Get a hot-water bottle.
And do donate it to Bush! He needs it much more than you.
Heidi, i would agree youre a docile person with the wine you say you consume, but to the point, I do know my history..Being an American i know we went to war with the British over a tax on tea and occupation..Its a natural thing or do you just not get it..Now what of the middle east history, what is it that has never changed in it since the beginning, KILLING KILLING and KILLING..So where was all this help for the innocent dieing then?? I doubt any of you will be able to give a answer other than more bashing.
To me , for some of you it isnt about helping another human, its about bashing on a country or these policies i hear about but arnt shown..
Doc: I know of the looting that went on after it started, but you fail to mention who these people were..Do we steal from our own house? And yes i do not mix words or play with them, im to the point.
Heres a bit of news, the US goverment is wanting to allow a president to run for more than 2 terms..Wonder how that will be if its passed into law..It was put before congress in january of this year..Im suprised no one here has mentioned it.
To me , for some of you it isnt about helping another human, its about bashing on a country or these policies i hear about but arnt shown..
Doc: I know of the looting that went on after it started, but you fail to mention who these people were..Do we steal from our own house? And yes i do not mix words or play with them, im to the point.
Heres a bit of news, the US goverment is wanting to allow a president to run for more than 2 terms..Wonder how that will be if its passed into law..It was put before congress in january of this year..Im suprised no one here has mentioned it.
The role of religion is “interesting” in the London bombing. When IRA and ETA went bombing GB and Spain, no reporter went first to interview a Catholic bishop. When the killings in Rwanda, which is a Christian country, nobody spoke about the role of Religion in the mass murder. When Israel kills and humiliates Palestinians the role of Religion is not an issue in the Media. But when Muslims attack the role of Religion is the Major point in the Western reporting and it is enlarged to the whole community. So it is in Iraq and Palestine.
Naturally much of it is caused from that the fighting Muslims use religion as an internal motivation factor. Using religious slogans is however used all the time as an internal “motivator” also by USA and GB. Especially US government uses God (Bush’s Christian “Texas” God), “democracy” and that childish national bragging in astonishing amounts. This “Christian” rhetoric is meant for the home front. The people in Middle East (and rest of the world) laugh to that US rhetoric like people in USA laugh to the announcements made by the opposition.
Wars are never fought for “pure” religious or ideological reasons. The wars are always fought because of land, water, natural resources and control of strategic regions. Religion and ideology are used by the attacker for an excuse to legalize the aggression and by the defender as a method to motivate its supporters.
People like TSHearn are so brainwashed with the US propaganda that they believe that the London bombings happened only because of the religion. It is simply stupid to believe that. Naturally Bush’s and Blair’s regimes could not say that the bombing happened because of Iraq, because they know that the war was started on fiction created by them. What if a British minister would say that yes the bombing was revenge to the Coalitions killings of Iraqis in masses? The next question would be why did we go to Iraq – for the 45 minute WMD’s? So a lie is always followed with a lie.
Certainly the bombings of London did not happen because of “Religion” like the several “accidental” bombing of wedding parties, market places and “Zargawi safe houses” happened because of democracy, freedom and western values
Naturally much of it is caused from that the fighting Muslims use religion as an internal motivation factor. Using religious slogans is however used all the time as an internal “motivator” also by USA and GB. Especially US government uses God (Bush’s Christian “Texas” God), “democracy” and that childish national bragging in astonishing amounts. This “Christian” rhetoric is meant for the home front. The people in Middle East (and rest of the world) laugh to that US rhetoric like people in USA laugh to the announcements made by the opposition.
Wars are never fought for “pure” religious or ideological reasons. The wars are always fought because of land, water, natural resources and control of strategic regions. Religion and ideology are used by the attacker for an excuse to legalize the aggression and by the defender as a method to motivate its supporters.
People like TSHearn are so brainwashed with the US propaganda that they believe that the London bombings happened only because of the religion. It is simply stupid to believe that. Naturally Bush’s and Blair’s regimes could not say that the bombing happened because of Iraq, because they know that the war was started on fiction created by them. What if a British minister would say that yes the bombing was revenge to the Coalitions killings of Iraqis in masses? The next question would be why did we go to Iraq – for the 45 minute WMD’s? So a lie is always followed with a lie.
Certainly the bombings of London did not happen because of “Religion” like the several “accidental” bombing of wedding parties, market places and “Zargawi safe houses” happened because of democracy, freedom and western values
hic....Dear TSHearn what makes you think I consume a lot of wine?...hic..[belch]...oh! excuse me...!!!!
anyway, further to your frustrations. Alas, I can see that the US government has managed to brainwash you over the last 4 years...hic....its OK, it has happened to many Americans...hic...
The history of the world, not just the middle east, is one of violence. However, some of it could have been avoided...there is no doubt that the US in particular has made the middle east a much worse place. You arm Israel and this aids them in grabbing and occupying Arab land and killing Palestinians....
or are you telling me that all that Jewish influence on Capitol Hill comes to nothing?
as for the looting??? what would happen in the US if law and order broke down comletely? yes! you got it! Mass looting and acts of revenge on a large scale....every country has its criminal elements that need control..and you failed didn't you? You....because you failed to observe Geneva Conventions......it seems a Geneva Convention is only a Geneva Convention when the US says so...[belch]
I see you failed to take advice to get your premenstrual tension treated. If my suggestion of primrose oil and a hot water hasn't worked, try hypnotherapy
Glass of wine anyone??????
anyway, further to your frustrations. Alas, I can see that the US government has managed to brainwash you over the last 4 years...hic....its OK, it has happened to many Americans...hic...
The history of the world, not just the middle east, is one of violence. However, some of it could have been avoided...there is no doubt that the US in particular has made the middle east a much worse place. You arm Israel and this aids them in grabbing and occupying Arab land and killing Palestinians....
or are you telling me that all that Jewish influence on Capitol Hill comes to nothing?
as for the looting??? what would happen in the US if law and order broke down comletely? yes! you got it! Mass looting and acts of revenge on a large scale....every country has its criminal elements that need control..and you failed didn't you? You....because you failed to observe Geneva Conventions......it seems a Geneva Convention is only a Geneva Convention when the US says so...[belch]
I see you failed to take advice to get your premenstrual tension treated. If my suggestion of primrose oil and a hot water hasn't worked, try hypnotherapy
Glass of wine anyone??????
Peace,
It is time that the call for justice be made worldwide...
Free Saddam now.
http://freesaddam.blogspot.com/
It is time that the call for justice be made worldwide...
Free Saddam now.
http://freesaddam.blogspot.com/
Dearest Layth, there is widespread injustice in the world and many of those who deserve to be in gaol are not (I include Bush and Blair in this list). It is frustrating. However, freeing Uncle Saddam will not make the world a better place. He must be punished for his crimes of torture, murder and rape. The sooner they get a rope around his neck, the better.
All you can do is hope that he dies quickly; unlike the hundreds of thousands that he, his sons, cousins and buddies decided to exterminate.
All you can do is hope that he dies quickly; unlike the hundreds of thousands that he, his sons, cousins and buddies decided to exterminate.
Dearest Layth, I just checked your webblog which says
"the purpose is freedom and re-instatement of the legal government of Iraq"
You also mention that you want rational ways back in the world.
many things about your blog seem a bit strange..
Your cover picture of Saddam is interesting- how butch!! Uncle Saddam looking macho in his military uniform. The only problem is, he was never in the military and was in fact hiding from the Americans, rather than fighting them, when he was captured. Why did he not fight or commit suicide? He preferred captured and humiliation to an honourable death. Where was his bravery? He paints a shameful picture.
How then do you "rationalise" your cover picture?
Are you complaining about his animal rapist sons being shot to death?
Why don't you complain on behalf of all the women Uday raped and all the people that both these creatures tortured and killed.?
You think Saddam's government was legal when in fact THEY staged a coup back in the 60s. They forced their way into government just like the Americans did in 2003. Yet you claim Saddam's government was "legal"? His government may have been Iraqi in origin but they still staged a coup and proceeded to suffocate their country after that.
Where were his tough-talking ministers when the invaders came to their country? They wore military uniforms too didn't they? They talked tough and killed as they wished, but when they faced an enemy as powerful as them, (rather than a woman and child), they disappeared and holed themselves up in a hidden location.
what are your views on such things?
I think you want to replace bad people with bad people. How do you rationlise that?
"the purpose is freedom and re-instatement of the legal government of Iraq"
You also mention that you want rational ways back in the world.
many things about your blog seem a bit strange..
Your cover picture of Saddam is interesting- how butch!! Uncle Saddam looking macho in his military uniform. The only problem is, he was never in the military and was in fact hiding from the Americans, rather than fighting them, when he was captured. Why did he not fight or commit suicide? He preferred captured and humiliation to an honourable death. Where was his bravery? He paints a shameful picture.
How then do you "rationalise" your cover picture?
Are you complaining about his animal rapist sons being shot to death?
Why don't you complain on behalf of all the women Uday raped and all the people that both these creatures tortured and killed.?
You think Saddam's government was legal when in fact THEY staged a coup back in the 60s. They forced their way into government just like the Americans did in 2003. Yet you claim Saddam's government was "legal"? His government may have been Iraqi in origin but they still staged a coup and proceeded to suffocate their country after that.
Where were his tough-talking ministers when the invaders came to their country? They wore military uniforms too didn't they? They talked tough and killed as they wished, but when they faced an enemy as powerful as them, (rather than a woman and child), they disappeared and holed themselves up in a hidden location.
what are your views on such things?
I think you want to replace bad people with bad people. How do you rationlise that?
Similar to Bush's extraordinary reluctance to call for a 9/11 investigation, Blair rejects calls for probe into London bombings.
Council of Churches condemns U.S. policy on Iraq: "Leaders of the National Council of Churches and several member denominations marked July 4 with a petition stating vehement opposition to United States policy in Iraq." . . . denouncing "the national leaders who sent Americans 'to fight a dishonorable war' and 'the abuse of prisoners that has shamed our nation.'"
. . . and, of course, the talking heads at FOX, CNN & MSNBC will continue holding the administration's feet to the fire.
. . . and, of course, the talking heads at FOX, CNN & MSNBC will continue holding the administration's feet to the fire.
(Related to SimoHurtta's comment)
"The worst crime that Zionism has inflicted on the world is to take its immoral analysis of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and impose it on everybody. The Zionist goal is to continue to steal land, and in order to do so has to re-characterize the natural Palestinian resistance to the illegal state terrorism of Israel, state terrorism which is intended to drive the Palestinians out of the Occupied Territories. Therefore, the Palestinian resistance is 'terrorism', and the Israeli attacks are all 'self-defense'. It's an amazing propaganda victory when Palestinian children throwing rocks at soldiers who are illegally occupying their country are terrorists, and the IDF soldier who uses a high powered rifle or a tank shell to shoot them is engaging in self-defense."
"The worst crime that Zionism has inflicted on the world is to take its immoral analysis of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and impose it on everybody. The Zionist goal is to continue to steal land, and in order to do so has to re-characterize the natural Palestinian resistance to the illegal state terrorism of Israel, state terrorism which is intended to drive the Palestinians out of the Occupied Territories. Therefore, the Palestinian resistance is 'terrorism', and the Israeli attacks are all 'self-defense'. It's an amazing propaganda victory when Palestinian children throwing rocks at soldiers who are illegally occupying their country are terrorists, and the IDF soldier who uses a high powered rifle or a tank shell to shoot them is engaging in self-defense."
Dear Evelyn, Blair will not submit to an enquiry because politically, he is already up to his eyes in cow pat. An enquiry would, I am sure, only increase the uncomfortable position he finds himself in.
He says that terrorists will not change our lives? Well I am sure they won't change his, with his armoured vehicles, security arrangements and a barricaded Houses of Parliament.
Eventhough ordinary people are getting on with it today in London, they have to, they have no choice, their jobs are there, they have to pay mortgages, rent and bills. Mr or Ms Ordinary are the most vulnerable and ultimately and he knows it.
One day, Blair will step down from his PM post but will his security be there in such force forever? I doubt it, WHEN he becomes as vulnerable as us, he'll be sweating too. His day will come to be Mr Ordinary.
He says that terrorists will not change our lives? Well I am sure they won't change his, with his armoured vehicles, security arrangements and a barricaded Houses of Parliament.
Eventhough ordinary people are getting on with it today in London, they have to, they have no choice, their jobs are there, they have to pay mortgages, rent and bills. Mr or Ms Ordinary are the most vulnerable and ultimately and he knows it.
One day, Blair will step down from his PM post but will his security be there in such force forever? I doubt it, WHEN he becomes as vulnerable as us, he'll be sweating too. His day will come to be Mr Ordinary.
A policemam only has verbally abuse you in the UK and he'll be reprimanded.
Now look at this
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/1EF56818-D387-4021-A206-9F645A1C5C28.htm
In the UK there would be a huge enquiry but there....?
Now look at this
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/1EF56818-D387-4021-A206-9F645A1C5C28.htm
In the UK there would be a huge enquiry but there....?
Heidi-
Probably you are correct about Blair not submitting to an enquiry. Observing how developments following London's 7/7 correspond to those after New York's 9/11 will be fascinating. I expect we'll have much to marvel at. If nothing else, we'll learn lots more about the politics of power. I do hope, however, for deeper revelations.
Probably you are correct about Blair not submitting to an enquiry. Observing how developments following London's 7/7 correspond to those after New York's 9/11 will be fascinating. I expect we'll have much to marvel at. If nothing else, we'll learn lots more about the politics of power. I do hope, however, for deeper revelations.
Evelyn, Heidy
The two B's are like Tweedledum and Tweedledee. They live in eachother's pockets and protect eachother. Who will be powerful enough to indict them? Or punish them? Even their own people, who are now dying for them, keep them in office. I wonder how the British will react? Will they close ranks and lash out at the world like the US has done? Or will they take the philosophical standpoint and analyse what the hell went wrong and learn from it?
I remember Bush's speech in NY on 9/11; PURE BLUSTER! However, it was obvious that there was going to be mass killings in retribution. Blair did not react in the same way, maybe the British people won't?
The two B's are like Tweedledum and Tweedledee. They live in eachother's pockets and protect eachother. Who will be powerful enough to indict them? Or punish them? Even their own people, who are now dying for them, keep them in office. I wonder how the British will react? Will they close ranks and lash out at the world like the US has done? Or will they take the philosophical standpoint and analyse what the hell went wrong and learn from it?
I remember Bush's speech in NY on 9/11; PURE BLUSTER! However, it was obvious that there was going to be mass killings in retribution. Blair did not react in the same way, maybe the British people won't?
TSHearn
You seem to absolve your country of all blame for the mess created in Iraq and the middle east in general. My advice is to seek a good optician and a good ears doctor.
Layth
"Free Saddam"? What planet are you on? The same advice is for you. Seek a good optician and ears doctor.
Neither of you speak one ounce of rational thought or sense.
Being Iraqi does not entitle Saddam Hussein to be a legitimate leader of Iraq. Does a grieving mother excuse Saddam more than Bush for killing her child?
I do not think so.
The fact is that neither the US or Saddam is good enough for the Iraqi people. I would not want either ruling my country and therefore, why should they be good enough for Iraqis? Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
You seem to absolve your country of all blame for the mess created in Iraq and the middle east in general. My advice is to seek a good optician and a good ears doctor.
Layth
"Free Saddam"? What planet are you on? The same advice is for you. Seek a good optician and ears doctor.
Neither of you speak one ounce of rational thought or sense.
Being Iraqi does not entitle Saddam Hussein to be a legitimate leader of Iraq. Does a grieving mother excuse Saddam more than Bush for killing her child?
I do not think so.
The fact is that neither the US or Saddam is good enough for the Iraqi people. I would not want either ruling my country and therefore, why should they be good enough for Iraqis? Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
Dearest TSHearn, do you fancy some enlightenment?
I have some selected comments here made by journalist Jon Simpson in a BBC column today. I suggest you read them and when you have done so, pass it by email to all your Republican friends so they may learn too.........
"When the big IRA bombing campaign first hit London in the 1970s, a famous columnist of the time, Bernard Levin, advised his readers to respond to the bombs as a refined hostess might respond to a dinner-guest who belched loudly at the table: just ignore it, he said.
When President Bush visited London last year, his security people insisted that the threat was so great he would have to drive in an armoured limousine from his apartments at the back of Buckingham Palace to a formal meeting with the Queen at the front of the building.
Yet, only four days after a savage series of bomb attacks in central London, 500,000 people turned out in the streets to applaud as the Queen, IN AN OPEN CAR, led a parade of veterans down the Mall to Buckingham Palace.
Countering political violence isn't easy. It takes rigid self-discipline on the part of government and people. And it takes a degree of proportion and self-awareness too.
Thursday was a terrible day for London; yet we mustn't forget that much the same number of people died that day in Iraq, and no one dedicated acres of newsprint to them.
We must hunt the bombers down, because they have committed a vicious crime against society. But we mustn't throw away the calm and self-possession which every decent society needs. It's not weakness; it's our (The British) greatest strength"
RIGID SELF-DISCIPLINE
SELF-AWARENESS
CALM AND SELF-POSSESSION
Pity that many of you Americans and your own President showed on 9/11 that you are in fact like animals in a zoo which have none of the above qualities.
I have some selected comments here made by journalist Jon Simpson in a BBC column today. I suggest you read them and when you have done so, pass it by email to all your Republican friends so they may learn too.........
"When the big IRA bombing campaign first hit London in the 1970s, a famous columnist of the time, Bernard Levin, advised his readers to respond to the bombs as a refined hostess might respond to a dinner-guest who belched loudly at the table: just ignore it, he said.
When President Bush visited London last year, his security people insisted that the threat was so great he would have to drive in an armoured limousine from his apartments at the back of Buckingham Palace to a formal meeting with the Queen at the front of the building.
Yet, only four days after a savage series of bomb attacks in central London, 500,000 people turned out in the streets to applaud as the Queen, IN AN OPEN CAR, led a parade of veterans down the Mall to Buckingham Palace.
Countering political violence isn't easy. It takes rigid self-discipline on the part of government and people. And it takes a degree of proportion and self-awareness too.
Thursday was a terrible day for London; yet we mustn't forget that much the same number of people died that day in Iraq, and no one dedicated acres of newsprint to them.
We must hunt the bombers down, because they have committed a vicious crime against society. But we mustn't throw away the calm and self-possession which every decent society needs. It's not weakness; it's our (The British) greatest strength"
RIGID SELF-DISCIPLINE
SELF-AWARENESS
CALM AND SELF-POSSESSION
Pity that many of you Americans and your own President showed on 9/11 that you are in fact like animals in a zoo which have none of the above qualities.
The language of war! "Pacification", for example, is such a lovely word.
Discovering Fallujah not to have been properly "pacified", on 7th July, the day of the London blasts, the US launched a new "initiative" there.
Funny, we haven't heard a lot about this "Operation Scimitar" - another opportunity for Iraqis to hurl flowers at their liberators.
Discovering Fallujah not to have been properly "pacified", on 7th July, the day of the London blasts, the US launched a new "initiative" there.
Funny, we haven't heard a lot about this "Operation Scimitar" - another opportunity for Iraqis to hurl flowers at their liberators.
You want to live in a free Iraq? That's funny, because before the US invaded, your people weren't free. Or were you a supporter of Saddam the dictator?
I live near London and I didn't agree with the war either, but I find what you are saying wrong. The death of Iraqis IS noticed in my country. Atrocities in prisons carried out by our troops ARE noticed, and receive a lot of press, all condemning the actions. We are not all like that. That can never be an excuse for what happened.
The people who died in London were innocent. I don't know if you realise, but the majority of people in the UK are opposed to the war in Iraq. The likliness is that the people who were killed were against the war. The commuters and tourists using the Underground that day did nothing, and killing them served no purpose. It sounds like you are saying, 'it was wrong, but...'
That sort of action can never be excused.
I live near London and I didn't agree with the war either, but I find what you are saying wrong. The death of Iraqis IS noticed in my country. Atrocities in prisons carried out by our troops ARE noticed, and receive a lot of press, all condemning the actions. We are not all like that. That can never be an excuse for what happened.
The people who died in London were innocent. I don't know if you realise, but the majority of people in the UK are opposed to the war in Iraq. The likliness is that the people who were killed were against the war. The commuters and tourists using the Underground that day did nothing, and killing them served no purpose. It sounds like you are saying, 'it was wrong, but...'
That sort of action can never be excused.
Crazycakes -
Indeed, you are correct about the innocence of the London victims. I guarantee, nobody here would suggest otherwise. (At least, I don't think so!) We are NOT saying "It was wrong, but . . . "
We just want
1. George & Tony to call off the dogs of war, and
2. The world (and the media) to show the same respect for Iraqi (and Afghan & Palestinian) lives as they do for American & British lives.
Please stick around. It sounds like you have something to contribute.
Indeed, you are correct about the innocence of the London victims. I guarantee, nobody here would suggest otherwise. (At least, I don't think so!) We are NOT saying "It was wrong, but . . . "
We just want
1. George & Tony to call off the dogs of war, and
2. The world (and the media) to show the same respect for Iraqi (and Afghan & Palestinian) lives as they do for American & British lives.
Please stick around. It sounds like you have something to contribute.
Has anyone seen this before about what US soldiers do to Iraqi women? Is this site genuine?
http://www.blackoklahoma.com/html/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=335
http://www.blackoklahoma.com/html/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=335
Risking seeming rather obsessive about who actually was behind the London blasts, I leave this extract from Wayne Madsen, a superb investigative journalist:
"Some informed British sources believe that the recent London Transport bombings may have been the work of far right-wing British terrorists hoping to stir up tensions with the nation's large Muslim population. There are several reasons for this belief. One is that GCHQ and MI-5 intercepts of the communications of Muslim groups in Britain and abroad -- groups suspected of ties to militants -- revealed that targeted individuals and organizations were genuinely surprised at the London bombings. Another is the statement of former Metropolitan London police commissioner Sir John Stevens that the perpetrators were "almost certainly" British. Although many accused Stevens of stirring up racial tensions, he never referred to British Muslims."
"Some informed British sources believe that the recent London Transport bombings may have been the work of far right-wing British terrorists hoping to stir up tensions with the nation's large Muslim population. There are several reasons for this belief. One is that GCHQ and MI-5 intercepts of the communications of Muslim groups in Britain and abroad -- groups suspected of ties to militants -- revealed that targeted individuals and organizations were genuinely surprised at the London bombings. Another is the statement of former Metropolitan London police commissioner Sir John Stevens that the perpetrators were "almost certainly" British. Although many accused Stevens of stirring up racial tensions, he never referred to British Muslims."
Wayne Madsen I am sure is wrong and I laugh at what he says in a big way.
Terrorist groups normally take time and have to get experience and expertise to be able to get to that level of sophistication. In any case, the far right of this country (I know some of them) are in no way that desperate to try to do this.
John Stevens meant British Muslims without a doubt. "British" does not necessarily mean white and christian.
Terrorist groups normally take time and have to get experience and expertise to be able to get to that level of sophistication. In any case, the far right of this country (I know some of them) are in no way that desperate to try to do this.
John Stevens meant British Muslims without a doubt. "British" does not necessarily mean white and christian.
I forgot to say; the breaking news in the UK is that
"Five West Yorkshire addresses are searched by police investigating the London bombings"
West Yorkishire is very very heavily populated with Muslims and its two attached Universities (Leeds and Bradford) are also populated heavily. A sign that the police are thinking "muslim"
"Five West Yorkshire addresses are searched by police investigating the London bombings"
West Yorkishire is very very heavily populated with Muslims and its two attached Universities (Leeds and Bradford) are also populated heavily. A sign that the police are thinking "muslim"
Crazycakes
Whilst I respect your views, I think you are denying yourself some facts. You are clearly implying that since the US invasion of Iraq, the Iraqi people have become free. This is simply not true. Iraq has simply exchanged one strangling apparatus for another. Look on the first thread here and click on the links that show Iraqi women being raped by US soldiers in Iraqi prisons. Is that how the US and British are supposed to free the Iraqi people?
70 people every day are dying in Iraq and the prisons show torture and rape on Saddam's levels. There is little electricity, clean water or healthcare. Unemployment is rife.
Crazycake, tell me, would those conditions be good enough for you? If not, why do you assume they are good enough for Iraqis?
You should reflect more on what is actually happening in Iraq.
On the other issue, doubtless there are some British people that care for Iraqis, but on the whole the attitude is no more than a shrug of the shoulders. Iraq only gets very brief coverage on British news anymore. Mass killings will get no more than 2 minutes. So please, do not try to convey that the British people as a whole care so much. If they did, they would have voted Blair out in the last election
Whilst I respect your views, I think you are denying yourself some facts. You are clearly implying that since the US invasion of Iraq, the Iraqi people have become free. This is simply not true. Iraq has simply exchanged one strangling apparatus for another. Look on the first thread here and click on the links that show Iraqi women being raped by US soldiers in Iraqi prisons. Is that how the US and British are supposed to free the Iraqi people?
70 people every day are dying in Iraq and the prisons show torture and rape on Saddam's levels. There is little electricity, clean water or healthcare. Unemployment is rife.
Crazycake, tell me, would those conditions be good enough for you? If not, why do you assume they are good enough for Iraqis?
You should reflect more on what is actually happening in Iraq.
On the other issue, doubtless there are some British people that care for Iraqis, but on the whole the attitude is no more than a shrug of the shoulders. Iraq only gets very brief coverage on British news anymore. Mass killings will get no more than 2 minutes. So please, do not try to convey that the British people as a whole care so much. If they did, they would have voted Blair out in the last election
Everyone
The UK needs to toughen up its act if it is to protect its public in the future. There are far too many "do gooders" in the UK who put silly small issues above public security. The bombings on Thurs should make our Parliament sit up and take notice. They should toughen up on the laws pertaining to detaining terror suspects. They need tougher laws on criminals in general anyway.
Evelyn, Heidy
These bombers are Muslims and not "British right wingers", as they have been labelled. The suggestion that these right wingers are responsible for Thursday's atrocities is a joke. They do not need to kill people to create a racial split in the country because such splits have been there for years and are quite deep in many areas of the UK.
These terrorists may not have been trained by Osama bin Laden's cronies, but I am sure they are Islamic extremists nevertheless who feel that Muslim countries are being victimized globally by the US, UK and Israel
The UK needs to toughen up its act if it is to protect its public in the future. There are far too many "do gooders" in the UK who put silly small issues above public security. The bombings on Thurs should make our Parliament sit up and take notice. They should toughen up on the laws pertaining to detaining terror suspects. They need tougher laws on criminals in general anyway.
Evelyn, Heidy
These bombers are Muslims and not "British right wingers", as they have been labelled. The suggestion that these right wingers are responsible for Thursday's atrocities is a joke. They do not need to kill people to create a racial split in the country because such splits have been there for years and are quite deep in many areas of the UK.
These terrorists may not have been trained by Osama bin Laden's cronies, but I am sure they are Islamic extremists nevertheless who feel that Muslim countries are being victimized globally by the US, UK and Israel
BR & Heidi -
I perhaps erred in not quoting the title of the Madsen piece:
POSSIBLE LINKS BETWEEN LONDON TRANSPORT BOMBERS AND BRITISH FASCISTS PROBED. He's not saying "They DID it." At this point, for sure, none of us can know. A reading of the full article indicates why exploring possible links is approporiate. The right wing is not just a bunch of newly arrived unconnected unsophisticated wacos, though I must say, I do buy the "waco" bit.
I perhaps erred in not quoting the title of the Madsen piece:
POSSIBLE LINKS BETWEEN LONDON TRANSPORT BOMBERS AND BRITISH FASCISTS PROBED. He's not saying "They DID it." At this point, for sure, none of us can know. A reading of the full article indicates why exploring possible links is approporiate. The right wing is not just a bunch of newly arrived unconnected unsophisticated wacos, though I must say, I do buy the "waco" bit.
The label of Catholic terror was never used about the IRA
"We need a phrase that is more exact than "Islamic terror". These acts may be committed by people who call themselves Muslims, but they violate essential Islamic principles. The Qur'an prohibits aggressive warfare, permits war only in self-defence and insists that the true Islamic values are peace, reconciliation and forgiveness. It also states firmly that there must be no coercion in religious matters, and for centuries Islam had a much better record of religious tolerance than Christianity.
"Like the Bible, the Qur'an has its share of aggressive texts, but like all the great religions, its main thrust is towards kindliness and compassion. Islamic law outlaws war against any country in which Muslims are allowed to practice their religion freely, and forbids the use of fire, the destruction of buildings and the killing of innocent civilians in a military campaign. So although Muslims, like Christians or Jews, have all too often failed to live up to their ideals, it is not because of the religion per se."
"We need a phrase that is more exact than "Islamic terror". These acts may be committed by people who call themselves Muslims, but they violate essential Islamic principles. The Qur'an prohibits aggressive warfare, permits war only in self-defence and insists that the true Islamic values are peace, reconciliation and forgiveness. It also states firmly that there must be no coercion in religious matters, and for centuries Islam had a much better record of religious tolerance than Christianity.
"Like the Bible, the Qur'an has its share of aggressive texts, but like all the great religions, its main thrust is towards kindliness and compassion. Islamic law outlaws war against any country in which Muslims are allowed to practice their religion freely, and forbids the use of fire, the destruction of buildings and the killing of innocent civilians in a military campaign. So although Muslims, like Christians or Jews, have all too often failed to live up to their ideals, it is not because of the religion per se."
Hello Evelyn how are you today? Anyone who is British knows the right wing are not newly arrived; on the contrary they are old as time here.
I tell you short story now. When I was growing up in the inner city we lived in a "down-at-heel" working class area which was 98% white. It was rough, but white. We didn't even have bathroom until I was about 4 yrs old!...anyway..
Do you know what happened when Arabs or South Asians moved into the area or bought a shop there? Their premises would be fire-bombed, or muck shoved through their letter box or their windows smashed; sometimes all three in fact.
My point is that nutty right-wingers do not need to bomb half of London to cause major racial divisions because they are already there and have been for many many years. National Front, BNP, Neonazis, racists or whatever you want to call them live everywhere in the UK and racial hatred can rear its ugly head and cause damage without using bombs and killing people.
It works both ways too; when I was at school I had an Arab friend and one day she invited me to her house. Her parents were obviously displeased. It turns out they thought of me as "white trash"
No way did right-wingers plant those bombs as metaphorically speaking, racial bombs are already there in our society.
The Irish are not really considered a possibility now, so what does that leave?
I tell you short story now. When I was growing up in the inner city we lived in a "down-at-heel" working class area which was 98% white. It was rough, but white. We didn't even have bathroom until I was about 4 yrs old!...anyway..
Do you know what happened when Arabs or South Asians moved into the area or bought a shop there? Their premises would be fire-bombed, or muck shoved through their letter box or their windows smashed; sometimes all three in fact.
My point is that nutty right-wingers do not need to bomb half of London to cause major racial divisions because they are already there and have been for many many years. National Front, BNP, Neonazis, racists or whatever you want to call them live everywhere in the UK and racial hatred can rear its ugly head and cause damage without using bombs and killing people.
It works both ways too; when I was at school I had an Arab friend and one day she invited me to her house. Her parents were obviously displeased. It turns out they thought of me as "white trash"
No way did right-wingers plant those bombs as metaphorically speaking, racial bombs are already there in our society.
The Irish are not really considered a possibility now, so what does that leave?
Heidi-
"What does that leave?" That's what they're trying to determine. Have you perhaps read the full Madsen piece? (By no means would I deny the presence of preexisting divisions and tensions.)
"What does that leave?" That's what they're trying to determine. Have you perhaps read the full Madsen piece? (By no means would I deny the presence of preexisting divisions and tensions.)
Yes Evelyn. I am not convinced at all. How do you know that this is not all some kind of diversion to take responsibility away from Blair? Weapons of Mass Distraction?
I agree that assumption is the mother of all ****-ups; nevertheless, my mind is settled on a certain nature of terrorist until I see something that persuades me otherwise
I agree that assumption is the mother of all ****-ups; nevertheless, my mind is settled on a certain nature of terrorist until I see something that persuades me otherwise
Heidi-
In situations like this I pay attention to track records. Knowing Wayne Madsen's prior work, I trust his investigative integrity & instincts. Guaranteed: no part of him supports what comes from the Bush white house. Quite the contrary. At this point, he's reporting possibilities, not drawing conclusions. If the evidence leads elsewhere, Madsen will be the first to acknowledge.
In situations like this I pay attention to track records. Knowing Wayne Madsen's prior work, I trust his investigative integrity & instincts. Guaranteed: no part of him supports what comes from the Bush white house. Quite the contrary. At this point, he's reporting possibilities, not drawing conclusions. If the evidence leads elsewhere, Madsen will be the first to acknowledge.
The probability of the terrorists being anything other than Muslim is very low. At the moment we are bullying and terrorizing Muslim countries and it seems predictable that our barbaric bullying and murder should come back to haunt us. The turmoil created by the US has metastasized from Palestine to Afghanistan to Iraq and now back to our shores. Things are getting full circle. Such natural cycles are inevitable. We are the partner in crime and we are now paying for it with our blood too. Thanks Tony!
At the moment we are bullying and terrorizing Muslim countries and it seems predictable that our barbaric bullying and murder should come back to haunt us.
Bullying and terrorizing!!!
Two countries - Iraq and Afghanistan - have had free elections, a miracle in the rot that is the Mideast. No small gift, my friend. And a gift delivered by the blood of Americans and Brits. And our civilians endure the jihadists and the attitude of this ingrate Iraqi in spite of that. Murder!!! I'll give you murder, 3000 in a single morning in NYC. Or the mass graves of Saddam. Bullying!!! Pressuring Syria to leave Lebanon so democracy can take root there. Or pressuring Hizbollah to stop the carnage.
Reading this blog is stomach churning. The blatant anti-semitism and fabrications is dispicable.
Their premises would be fire-bombed, or muck shoved through their letter box or their windows smashed; sometimes all three in fact..
That's a lie, Heidi, and you know it. You are fabricating racial violence as a common occurrence when you know damn well it isn't.
Bullying and terrorizing!!!
Two countries - Iraq and Afghanistan - have had free elections, a miracle in the rot that is the Mideast. No small gift, my friend. And a gift delivered by the blood of Americans and Brits. And our civilians endure the jihadists and the attitude of this ingrate Iraqi in spite of that. Murder!!! I'll give you murder, 3000 in a single morning in NYC. Or the mass graves of Saddam. Bullying!!! Pressuring Syria to leave Lebanon so democracy can take root there. Or pressuring Hizbollah to stop the carnage.
Reading this blog is stomach churning. The blatant anti-semitism and fabrications is dispicable.
Their premises would be fire-bombed, or muck shoved through their letter box or their windows smashed; sometimes all three in fact..
That's a lie, Heidi, and you know it. You are fabricating racial violence as a common occurrence when you know damn well it isn't.
Dear Penny, please calm down, you will blow a gasket at this rate or you'll heat your water...!..
anyway, now to your frustrations...
Firstly, where I came from, racial prejudice and violence is common. I am not saying it is like that all over the UK, but it certainly is in the type of areas where I grew up. There is racial prejudice and violence and underlying unease in many inner-city areas. Likewise when I visit my close friends in Mississippi, they have similar but worse problems there (in the US, the great, the fountain of all freedom..)
You seem to be looking at a small picture of what is happening in Iraq. I personally always try to look at the good and the bad of any situation and alas, in Iraq, there is a lot of bad currently.
Yes there has been elections but alas, the Iraqis who run the government are as corrupt as Saddam's government. In addition to that, they are completely inept at running their own country.
They have lost control and their police have lost control, yet in the meantime they cream as much money as they can.
Iraqi women are being gang-raped by Americans in Abu Ghraib. Lets be straight here, do you think it is OK for American men to force their penises into Iraqi mouths?
Iraqi men and women daily are tortured and sodomized by American soldiers
Every day Iraqi people "disappear" inside American-run prisons
How we all love those photos of Americans smiling over Iraqi dead bodies in the prisons.
Every single day there, innocent families and people are shot at checkpoints or on roads by Americans
Every day children are being shot by the Americans
There is not adequate electricity, clean water, medical care or employment.
Iraqi universities and national treasures have been looted. The Americans stood by and let this happen.
Every day 70 Iraqis are killed by either troops, out-of-control criminal elements or by the insurgency.
Billions of Iraqi oil revenue has also disappeared.
Cities such as Falluja have been left as a waste ground for their residents to live in
Would you like Napalm dropped on you like the Americans have dropped on Iraqis?
Please do tell us how pleasurable it would be have your skin burned off.
You talk about 9/11? It was just a matter of the chickens coming home to roost. Alas, innocent people paid the ultimate price. You talk about 3000 people dead? Darling, in WWII, the Brits lost 300,000 people, inc. some of my family, so please do not come to us crying about what the enemy can do.
If you want to continue arming Israel and occupying other countries, you must pay the price. It is simple as that. It is not rocket science or nuclear physics; you don't need a huge intelligence to see this.
Adios for now.....time for some tuna salad, I'm starved!
anyway, now to your frustrations...
Firstly, where I came from, racial prejudice and violence is common. I am not saying it is like that all over the UK, but it certainly is in the type of areas where I grew up. There is racial prejudice and violence and underlying unease in many inner-city areas. Likewise when I visit my close friends in Mississippi, they have similar but worse problems there (in the US, the great, the fountain of all freedom..)
You seem to be looking at a small picture of what is happening in Iraq. I personally always try to look at the good and the bad of any situation and alas, in Iraq, there is a lot of bad currently.
Yes there has been elections but alas, the Iraqis who run the government are as corrupt as Saddam's government. In addition to that, they are completely inept at running their own country.
They have lost control and their police have lost control, yet in the meantime they cream as much money as they can.
Iraqi women are being gang-raped by Americans in Abu Ghraib. Lets be straight here, do you think it is OK for American men to force their penises into Iraqi mouths?
Iraqi men and women daily are tortured and sodomized by American soldiers
Every day Iraqi people "disappear" inside American-run prisons
How we all love those photos of Americans smiling over Iraqi dead bodies in the prisons.
Every single day there, innocent families and people are shot at checkpoints or on roads by Americans
Every day children are being shot by the Americans
There is not adequate electricity, clean water, medical care or employment.
Iraqi universities and national treasures have been looted. The Americans stood by and let this happen.
Every day 70 Iraqis are killed by either troops, out-of-control criminal elements or by the insurgency.
Billions of Iraqi oil revenue has also disappeared.
Cities such as Falluja have been left as a waste ground for their residents to live in
Would you like Napalm dropped on you like the Americans have dropped on Iraqis?
Please do tell us how pleasurable it would be have your skin burned off.
You talk about 9/11? It was just a matter of the chickens coming home to roost. Alas, innocent people paid the ultimate price. You talk about 3000 people dead? Darling, in WWII, the Brits lost 300,000 people, inc. some of my family, so please do not come to us crying about what the enemy can do.
If you want to continue arming Israel and occupying other countries, you must pay the price. It is simple as that. It is not rocket science or nuclear physics; you don't need a huge intelligence to see this.
Adios for now.....time for some tuna salad, I'm starved!
Penny
America loses 3000 lives in one morning on 9/11 (as you say), and in return the US goes abroad to kill over 100,000 people, injures near on a million more and tortures and rapes a few thousand more just for good measure.
Of course, if you add the number of people killed indirectly as a result of American support of Saddam in the 1970s and 1980s, I'm sure the figure would at least double. Something for you to contemplate there eh?
Saddam is in prison for his crimes, but where is Bush, Carter and Reagan after committing their crimes? On holiday at Camp David maybe?....admittedly, Reagan is on holiday somewhere more peaceful.
As for racial violence and tension? Well go to a city such as Bradford in Yorkshire where there has been more hatred and trouble (riots and assaults) than you can imagine over the years. Then go to Tower Hamlets in London where the white population are voting for members of the extreme right British National Party. Then look at what level of racial hatred has been uncovered in Greater Manchester Police.
These are just a few examples of racial hatred and aggression within the UK, I could go on.
I think you should reflect more on the realities of the global situation.
America loses 3000 lives in one morning on 9/11 (as you say), and in return the US goes abroad to kill over 100,000 people, injures near on a million more and tortures and rapes a few thousand more just for good measure.
Of course, if you add the number of people killed indirectly as a result of American support of Saddam in the 1970s and 1980s, I'm sure the figure would at least double. Something for you to contemplate there eh?
Saddam is in prison for his crimes, but where is Bush, Carter and Reagan after committing their crimes? On holiday at Camp David maybe?....admittedly, Reagan is on holiday somewhere more peaceful.
As for racial violence and tension? Well go to a city such as Bradford in Yorkshire where there has been more hatred and trouble (riots and assaults) than you can imagine over the years. Then go to Tower Hamlets in London where the white population are voting for members of the extreme right British National Party. Then look at what level of racial hatred has been uncovered in Greater Manchester Police.
These are just a few examples of racial hatred and aggression within the UK, I could go on.
I think you should reflect more on the realities of the global situation.
Dear Rhubarb, Penny also has no answers for the mess that Iraq is in. Would she like to live in that land that is now "free"? But of course the price for being free is rape, torture, murder, dirty water, little electric, abduction and looted educational establishments.
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