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The US's occupation of Iraq will see to it that the Lion of Babylon rises again .. سنـُبعـَث ُ من جَديد ، وإلى ضَـيـرِِهِـم
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Iraq's Nuclear Mirage ... سَراب السلاح النووي العراقي

Unrevealed Milestones in the Iraqi National Nuclear Program: 1981-1991

معالم وأحداث غير مكشوفة في البرنامج النووي الوطني العراقي 1981-1991

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Thursday, August 11, 2005

Civil War In Iraq, Made In the USA


"With the war stalemated, repeated deployments wearing down troop morale and too few new recruits to maintain force levels, the Bush administration may be provoking civil war as its “exit strategy.” The goal would be to break up Iraq into mini-states to allow a reduction in U.S. troops while retaining access to massive oil deposits in the North and South.
“Every single thing the U.S. did led to civil war,” says Christian Parenti, author of “The Freedom,” his account of occupied Iraq, “The failure of reconstruction, the firing of the army, the blatant theft of Iraqi oil money, the use of the Badr Brigade, the use of Peshmerga, the use of death squads, the use of indiscriminate detention and torture, the destruction of Falluja and other towns in Al Anbar province,” explains Parenti, created a raging insurgency and sparked civil war.
... Once the victorious Shiite parties cobbled a government together in April, they placed the Interior Ministry under the control of the Badr Brigades, the military arm of the powerful Shiite-based Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq. As for the army, a report in The Guardian states bluntly, “Both Iraqi and American officers say that the Ministry of Defense in Baghdad has fallen under the control of Kurdish political parties.”The result has been a wave of death-squad killings. Since April, “nearly 1,000 people - most of them Sunni Muslims” killed in the southern city of Basra alone, according to the Christian Science Monitor. In May, at least 10 Sunni and Shiite clerics were assassinated.Writing in The Independent, Patrick Cockburn, reports, “Many Sunni military officers and Baathist officials believe they are on a death list of the Badr Brigade which is operating through the [police] commandos… an aggressive paramilitary force controlled by the Interior Ministry.”The Times of London noted on July 18: “hardline Shia militias… are patrolling large parts of Baghdad, often rounding up suspected Sunni insurgents and imprisoning or even killing them.” The U.S. took the sectarian strategy a step further in May with “Operation Lightning,” using 40,000 mainly Shiite troops to sweep through Baghdad and round up hundreds of Sunni males."
Civil War In Iraq, Made In the USA August 6, 2005

"The occupation's sectarian discourse has acquired a hold as powerful as the WMD fiction that prepared the public for war. Iraqis are portrayed as a people who can't wait to kill each other once left to their own devices. In fact, the occupation is the main architect of institutionalised sectarian and ethnic divisions; its removal would act as a catalyst for Iraqis to resolve some of their differences politically. Only a few days ago the national assembly members who had signed the anti-occupation statement met representatives of the Foundation Congress (a group of 60 religious and secular organisations) and the al-Sadr movement and issued a joint call for the rapid withdrawal of the occupation forces according to an internationally guaranteed timetable.
There is now broad agreement in Iraq to build a non-sectarian, democratic Iraq that guarantees Kurdish national rights. The occupation is making the achievement of these goals more difficult.
Every day the occupation increases tension and makes people's lives worse, fuelling the violence. Creating a client regime in Baghdad, backed by permanent bases, is the route that US strategists followed in Vietnam. As in Vietnam , popular resistance in Iraq and the wider Middle East will not go away but will grow stronger, until it eventually unites to force a US-British withdrawal.
How many more Iraqis have to die before Bush and Blair admit the occupation is the problem and not part of any democratic solution in Iraq?"
It is not withdrawal that threatens Iraq with civil war, but occupation. July 5, 2005

An Update:
This is an an aptly put scientific scenario for Condi's mushroom cloud:

"Iraq is dangerously close to the threshold - the point of no return at which an ideological-sectarian chain reaction is triggered and a rapidly accelerated disintegration along sectarian lines occurs. The blinding flash of Iraq's disintegration will be followed closely by a powerful shockwave radiating outward in all directions, then by an irresistible reverse force that will pull Iraq's neighbors into the vortex. That is the point at which the US begins to suffer an irreversible forfeiture in Iraq.
The political detonation described here, in which Iraq's enriched, fissionable sectarian factions or elements are rammed together forcefully by the current US-driven political process, finally reach critical mass and then detonate to cause Iraq's violent disintegration, is imminent. Consequently, not only has the US finally uncovered Iraq's political WMSD (weapons of mass self-destruction) but it is also, knowingly or unknowingly, racing toward the triggering of a political fission bomb of enormous yield with widespread regional and even global fallout."
Weapons of self-destruction August 10, 2005

"The American way of warfare was designed to win huge land wars, such on the European theater against masses of Russians with huge tank armies. America needed massive firepower because of being outgunned in that potential theater of war. In Iraq, America has the advantage in numbers of men AND firepower, but little room for maneuver and little initiative. Americans are on their heels and when they do try to take the initiative they fire into buildings long after the battle is over.
This war cannot be won by America. Those pathetic Iraqis just will not stand and fight toe to toe. For some strange reason, the Iraqis are fighting to win, not to meet American wishes and expectations. Every day that Americans are in Iraq fighting the insurgency is another day that George Bush is losing ground. Every death of an American soldier is a nail in the coffin of the American Empire."
Bad Anti-Insurgent Strategy -- Hit 'em Where They Were August 9, 2005

American Foreign Policy in Iraq
Al-Bian al-Amaritiya June 6 2005

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~~~~~~~Every day that Americans are in Iraq fighting the insurgency is another day that George Bush is losing ground. Every death of an American soldier is a nail in the coffin of the American Empire?~~~~~~

But that is only half the story. Because for every yank killed, 10 Iraqis will be killed either by Iraqi insurgents or the occupation.
Those video images you gloat over "Bang"? Just remember that whenever you see an American killed, 10 Iraqis will be killed at same time.
The post by Bang was nothing but a gloat and a ploy to taunt other message posters here. Is that how we should behave? Is that civilised behaviour? Taunting each other with scenes of life being snuffed out? Evelyn you think Bang post was "interesting"? How were you brought up?
To think that taunts with scenes of death are "interesting"?

It is best to show that war takes its toll on both sides and that is nothing to be proud of and is not "interesting"

Look here, are these "interesting"?

http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqwarpix.html#IRAQWARPIX

THERE ARE NO WINNERS, EVERY NAIL IN THE AMERICAN COFFIN IS NAIL IN IRAQ COFFIN
 
Garbage

Did you see the 'Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness' picture above?

What are you exactly doing in Iraq? asks Cindy Sheehan and most Iraqis.
 
~~~What are you exactly doing in Iraq? asks Cindy Sheehan and most Iraqis~~~

I am not in Iraq, and neither is my respective country. Why do you ask me that? Do you presume I am American or British? Obviously you do.

There are no winners
 
Sorry, Garbage, for assuming that you are American. Your name sounded so.
 
GB, TS, BR, DC, et al.
"The Beirut Symposium - Readying for a Liberated Iraq" posted August 1, 05 included a link to Bremer's Orders. Have you taken the time to read Washington's all-encompassing jack-booted list of rules & regulations by which Iraqis have been sold in perpetuity into slavery?
 
Speaking of Cindy Sheehan, try to see some **real** (not CNN and FOX) video clips with her, if your Internet connection permits.
 
And, speaking of Cindy Sheehan, I am so proud to discover I live in her state!!! What an amazing woman. And, she's just had a fair bit of TV time. Good going, Cindy.
 
An Open Letter from Ralph Nader to Cindy Sheehan, Crawford, Texas; May You Prevail, Where Others Have Failed
 
The Asia Times article, Weapons of self-destruction, (current post) is a rivetting reality check.
 
* IslamOnline: Why are you writing a book, your memoirs, about Iraq’s nuclear program?

- Imad Khadduri: In September 2002, Bush and Blair spewed glaring misinformation regarding Iraq’s nuclear weapons program after the 1991 Gulf War. They cited Iraq’s nuclear weapons program as reason for invading Iraq, and this stirred me into a modest attempt to expose their deceits and ‘Intelligence’ lies.

I also became aware of the neoconservative agenda and its roots in the nineties and even earlier. This was coupled with my distaste for the violence, materialism and vulgarity of the “American Way of Life” that I experienced while studying for eight years in the US during the sixties and living the Vietnam experience there, inside the belly of the beast. All of these pieces fell in place by the end of 2002 and prompted me to spell it [sic] out in a book that was interlaced with my memoirs to portray the roots of my commitments and present beliefs.


Now you fall into place doc..
 
TSHearn

Do not feel slighted.

Last night on TV I came across a radical Islamic group saying that British society was "drunk, brutish and materialistic".

If that's the case, what are they doing here?

I have seen Islamic hypocrisy on monumental levels. There are several "nightclubs" around Europe that cater (especially) for Arab and Islamic men. Believe me, these people are no angels. It is all for show. When it comes down to it, they are as bad as the rest.
 
Evelyn

"And, speaking of Cindy Sheehan, I am so proud to discover I live in her state!!!"

Evelyn very few people here believe you are in the US. Even if you are, why don't you drop the pretense of being a western woman?
 
I do not understand British Rhubarb your need to insult Islam and Muslims in general. Do you ever think about the variety among us Christians? Certainly the culture and habits of East-European, African, Asian and Latin-American Christians is completely different than yours. Christianity also includes “groups” which are very near Talibans in their views. There are also extreme lunatic Christians movements (like Christian Identity), who are ready to put in grave all non-believers and people with wrong skin colour. What would you think if a Hindu or Muslim would write his comments in the style of yours by quoting Christian extremists and digging “funny” details of Christian behaviour and loosing them from the context? Many non-Christians would consider the Christian way of drinking Jesus blood and eating his flesh in Holy Communion as hilarious cannibalism if it is said with out explaining its symbolic meaning.

Certainly several British Christian priests have often spoken publicly about the modern materialistic and alcohol centred lifestyle in Britain. At least our priests often speak about that being the situation in Finland. So what are Christians then doing in Britain and Finland – would be fair question with your logic.

You frequently say that what are the Muslims doing “here”? Certainly the people, Muslims, Hindus and others have not moved to Britain for the nice climate, good food or general behaviour on soccer stadiums. Work, money and education are the simple reasons like for those the millions of Christians who emigrate every year after a higher living standard.
 
BR - Re: "very few people here believe" - Perhaps I'm a British male??!!!

OK, you clever thing, you caught me out. For honesty's sake, let me now restate:
"And, speaking of Cindy Sheehan, I am so proud to discover I live in her world!!!"
 
SimoHurtta: For people denying their own deep racism, this (eg. ". . . like for those the millions of Christians who emigrate every year after a higher living standard.") is a too complex argument. But, so that you know someone gets your point, let it be said that tens of thousands of white Christian South Africans, for example, have emigrated over the past 20 years to countries like Australia, England & Canada. "Blending in," they do not become a "you", as opposed to being one of "us". And, absolutely, a prime reason for emigration they share with the "yous", namely personal security for themselves and their families.
 
Well, good for you TS.
You did start to read.
However, do use a dictionary as (sic) means:
"Thus; so. Used to indicate that a quoted passage, especially one containing an error or unconventional spelling, has been retained in its original form or written intentionally.",
and I did "spell" it out correctly.
Guess how many others around the world, and especaiily in Abu Ghraib prison, have come to realize what I had expressed, by now? except perhaps you.

As for Rhubarb, arrogance and upper lip are no virtues to strut around with, for they do stink and are very difficult to disguise, as he keeps regurgitating.

 
"others have not moved to Britain for the nice climate, good food or general behaviour on soccer stadiums"

(Heidi sniggers)...Simmo you sound like Jacques Chirac...such prejudice! Well it certainly ruined France's chances of having the olympics.....

as for behaviour on soccer pitches??? You should try going to an English football game. It is one of the best experiences...

"British Christian priests have often spoken publicly about the modern materialistic and alcohol centred lifestyle in Britain"????????????

Well if you want to give credence to hypocritical primitives that live by fictitious ancient literature then go ahead; I personally wouldnt spit on them

Heidi "soccer thug, fascist, racist" Petterssen
 
Rhuby I have a 33% chances of guessing Evelyn's real name

It is either Rana, Hala or Raghad...
 
I've just read the blog of Faiza. Having little as an American to feel proud of, I'm happy to note that she is following Cindy Sheehan. Cindy, though at great personal cost, is in a win/win situation. If Bush ignores her, he has lost. If Cindy is arrested, he has lost. If he meets with her (imagine!), he looks like who he is. Simply put, Bush cannot win in a 'face off' with a person whose position is ethically and humanly pure.
 
"Racism is an ism to which everyone in the world today is exposed; for or against, we must take sides. And the history of the future will differ according to the decision which we make." (Ruth Benedict, 1940)

Day by day, millions of personal decisions, large and small; we each are responsible.
 
Britain's role in radicalising Basra
 
P.S. to my 8:48 AM -
To expand, people of all ethnicities, hues & religious (or none) persuasions have emigrated to Australia, England & Canada. My guess is that for the vast majority, security for their families heads their list of reasons. Our core commonalities join us; our differences enrich and should be celebrated.
 
The Splendid Failure of Occupation
“What we want is, for the countries of the Third World to experience the God of the First World"

(Don't you just love these guys?!)
 
Racism: We are born to it. Racism is in the veritable air we breath. Taking it in unawares, all but a immeasurably miniscule percentage of people - anywhere - escape its clutches.

Following the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. in 1968, Jane Elliott, a third grade teacher in an all-white, all-Christian community, struggled for ways to help her students understand racism and discrimination. She adopted the "Blue-Eyed/brown eyed" exercise, (in which participants are treated as inferior or superior based solely on the color of their eyes) as a result of reading about the techniques the Nazis used on those they designated undesirable during what is now called the Holocaust.

Links to her work: 1, 2 & 3. Superb; revealing & healing material.
 
Evelyn, "women are now generally veiled and cloaked. Alcohol sellers have shut down. Pictures of clerics are everywhere"

No doubt better than the morally bankrupt drunken western society?? (Heidi sniggers)....
 
Heidi: Try stating your point directly so that those like me still struggling with the finer points of the English language can know what you're so valiantly trying to convey. (By the way, I do understand your common expression, 'snigger'!!! No need to explain that one.)

Re your 'drunken western society': whatever works for you.
 
Rhubarb
As the Iraqi saying states: "Show us the width of your shoulders" .. (as you exit the door).
Goodbye.

 
Bang, thank you so much leaving the Cindy Sheehan video link. Having only now taken the time to play it, words fail when trying to articulate how moved I am by her deep personhood and simple, unvarnished integrity.

One person can make a difference. Always, truth is the greater power. Which, precisely, is the reason armadas of bought and sold media, politicians, and corporate bosses devote their total energy to the annihilation of truth.
 
Canadian sent to Syria sues US over rendition policy: "US seeks dismissal of case, citing rarely used 'state secret privilege.'"

(Had the government no shameful secrets, there would be no need to invoke 'state secret privilege' to fend against The Truth.)

The New York Times reported that the government lawyers also argued that "foreign citizens who change planes at airports in the United States can legally be seized, detained without charges, deprived of access to a lawyer or the courts, and even denied basic necessities like food ..."
 
Hello Evelyn you are getting off topic here with all these links on racism. Nevertheless I go with it.
What offends you about racism in particular? All human beings, regardless of colour, are prone to prejudice and are swayed heavily by visual attractiveness (or unattractivenss) of a human being.

Maybe you should look at how many people face prejudice in this world regardless of what colour they are. You think white people feel superior because of Nazi ideology? You want to demonise them all?
News for you....prejudice and hatred exists amongst blacks, hispanics, orientals, Arabs, Persians...singling out white people is just another way of trying to demonise them as a group. I do not know why you pick holes out of west and white people....there are some nice ones you know!

Look at what reality is.....I could not count the number of times someone has said to be me over last 6 months

"its whats inside that matters"

But these are empty words and complete bollocks. Imagine yourself going in a bar looking for nice man to spend night with.....who has higher chance?? Slim woman or woman weighing 300 pounds?

Lot of people face prejudice and isolation because of many things....because they are overweight, underweight, disabled, ill, too short, too tall, homosexual, female....whatever

You must have seen on news in last few days that they execute people in Iran for being gay. How are gay people treated in Saudi do you think? Even worse, how are women treated in such countries? Would you want to live there?

Maybe the lady who did the 'blue eyes/brown eyes' study should take similar studies along parallel lines to middle east, Africa and far east....except substitute the eye colour part for maybe sexual orientation, weight, height or sex..... You will find many revelations in the findings!

Fact is that everyone is a visual creature and has their own idea of what they hate and their prejudices. You don;t have to be white to hate

I am away now until Mon but maybe when I get back you can tell me why you single out white people?
 
Jane Elliott, a third grade teacher in an all-white, all-Christian community, struggled for ways to help her students understand racism and discrimination.

Now she should perhaps take it to all black or Arab Islamic community but with different parameters....see what she finds
 
Heidi, learn to read!!!!!

"We are born to it. Racism is in the veritable air we breath. Taking it in unawares, all but a immeasurably miniscule percentage of people - anywhere - escape its clutches."
 
Eveleyn

You are missing the point. Look deeper. I can see it but you cannot?

---With all due respect, your specific, targeted, well-back-up post about white Christians, and your previous countless posts regarding the evil of the west (US and UK) does seem to point to a particular attitude that you have. Sometimes it is merely the aura that we give off. Your aura is one that seemingly targets the west. I am not being aggressive, merely observational.

---I am not sure what kind of background people who post here actually have; but my deep feelings are that some of the people here, (for example one aggressive and rude poster claims to be western, of Austrian and Finnish discent) are merely creating a smoke-screen to hide their true origins and motivations.

Perhaps you would like to point out why your posts are so anti-western and "anti-white"?
 
Heidi

---They dare not take their experiments to the middle east or far east.

Firstly, it would not be permitted by many of their regimes, and

secondly because it is so un-PC to criticise anything that is not white.

Some people fall into the "PC-trap" and that is a shame. People should be able to apply principles across a spectrum of religions, races and colours but today, that cannot be the case, lest you be labelled a racist bigot.
 
Imam Bakri, a teacher in an all-asian, all-Islamic community, struggled for ways to help his students understand racism and discrimination.

Elliot Goldberg, a teacher in an all-white, all-Jewish community, struggled for ways to help his students understand racism and discrimination.

Paminda Singh a teacher in an all-Indian, all-Sikh community, struggled for ways to help his students understand racism and discrimination.

Rao Ghandi a teacher in an all-Indian, all-Hindu community, struggled for ways to help his students understand racism and discrimination.

Eveleyn you can see the point I hope?
 
Here is my theory

---You Eveleyn are sensitized to racism aimed at non-whites, and the negative elements of the west, because you have been a victim of both. Why have you been a victim? The answer is clear
 
Garbage Belly

---You are right of course. Every time a part of the USA dies, a part of Iraq dies. The Mindprod sight is appalling but does at least highlight that America suffers aswell as Iraq.

---It is very easy to direct animosity at American soldiers, but we should all remember that whilst many western civilians were scammed into believing the WMD hype, the soldiers are dying for those lies with little choice.
Do they want to be in Iraq?
Do they like being there?
Would they rather be home with their families?

No, no and yes.

---Next time someone comes here to scoff at, and poke fun at the deaths of young American boys and girls, just remember those soldiers would rather have been at home, where the temperature and environment is a little more friendly.

Is the life of an American worth more than an Iraqi? No

Is the life of an Iraqi worth more than an American? No.

Do I come here to scoff at Iraqi deaths and poke fun at Iraqi deaths? No.

The post by Bang should have been deleted
 
New in town
Dare you to read Documents Tell of Brutal Improvisation by GIs and spin your statement.
 
NiT: My Free Iraq comments reflect my understanding about the occupation of Iraq and the consequences thereof. As for my own background, I am as WASP (though I claim no religious affiliation) as they come and have never been the object of discrimination. I have, however, had plenty of opportunity to be sensitised to the issues, having lived in apartheid South Africa for 30 years. It was there that I was privileged to do a Blue Eye/Brown Eye Workshop, learning something of my own well-suppressed (denied) racism. I'm not sure that we ever are totally free of this blight; awareness, however, is a beginning.

"The answer is clear." Clearly wrong!

I do not however, expect you will believe that I correctly represent myself. Several bloggers somehow conclude that, for reasons best known to myself, I wear some sort of facade. So, conclude in whatever way best suits your purposes. The conclusions of others do not change who I am.
 
Bang: How dare you post this disgusting story relating how an American Army interrogator and military guard beat senseless an Iraqi General, broke his ribs, clubbed him with a rubber hose, and stuffed him, bound by an electrical cord, into a sleeping bag, where they proceeded to 'finish him off.' Understandably, this information was concealed in CIA classified documents, as well it ought. Such material is not fit for publication.

Our boys are doing a hard, thankless job, defending us from terrorism, far away from home. They will not leave Iraq before the job is finished. God bless George Bush and all his loyal supporters.
 
Another disgusting story. Actually this one's not quite so disgusting. The detainee's still alive.
 
New in Town I can prove my origin easily. By wirting a sentence in Finnish and German.

Uusi kaupungissa on ilmeisesti joku idioottimainen amerikkalainen hihhuli, joka keinoja kaihtamatta yrittää edistää rakkaan idolinsa George Bushin viestiä irakilaisten vapauttamisesta.

Du bist ein rastistischer Fasist, New in Town.

Well Finnish is a rather difficult language and about 6 million people on this planet can speak it. If you find a person speaking Finnish check the sentence. Even though I learned German as my first language as a child I have lived most of my life in Finland, so my German is a little rusty in what comes to writing, so you have to satisfy to a short sentence.

My motivation to write here and else where is simple – the great disgust in watching where this aggressive and dangerous Anglo-American policy is taking us all. For my little part I try to bring some sense in discussion.

Well now tell your own origin and motivation. You owe it because you started this line of “creating a smokescreen” where we discuss about each others motivations and not about essential questions.

Did you really believe that I am a dangerous “Muslim radical” pretending to be white Protestant? Well I believe that you sit in the basement of Pentagon and you are the daughter of G.Bush ...

:)
 
The US and alternate realities: ". . . [T]he Iraq story was the greatest invention of alternate reality since we were told that storks delivered babies or that babies appeared ex nihilo in cabbage patches. After Colin Powell, Tony Blair, and Condi Rice publicly stated Iraq was no threat, they changed their tune.

". . .[T]hough it seemed a virtual impossibility only a year ago, the country is on the verge of a civil war—largely manufactured by our systematic policy of favoring now this, now that, ethnic faction, a stratagem inherited from British imperialism, who think they got it from the Romans ("divide et impera"). Not being able to control the country via a puppet-installed regime, we are trying the civil-war option. This will play as "we can't leave now that we've got so much to do" in alternate reality."
 
I remember reading here some comments about the amount of homosexuals killed in Iran. Now those comments seem to be deleted.

Where did this homosexuals killing news come and why now when the tension is extreme high between Iran and the free world (as Bush describes the situation in an interview to Israeli television and mentions also that military actions are possible)?

This news obviously started from the press release of a group named Outrage, which refers to “data” of the exiled Iranian gay rights group, Homan. Homan is a non-profit support organization for the Los Angeles Iranian lesbian, gay, and bisexual community.

The Outrage press release is saying :
Fact: Iran executes lesbians and gays. The Iranian government has executed 4,000 homosexuals since 1979, according to estimates in the mid-1990s by the exiled Iranian gay rights group, Homan.

Estimates in mid of 1990’s ????? And now they suddenly begin to make news of this and demonstrate. In these days when the “build up of Iran war” is moving fast we should be rather cynical in reading “news” about the “bad religious Iran”. One should always follow to the source of the “news”, analyze the fact basis of the “news” and motivation behind releasing the “news”. Well in this case the fact basis of the homosexual killings news seems to be extremely unreliable.

This “news” is one of the long row equal news we can “enjoy” reading in the coming months. The US Israeli propaganda machine is obviously working with full steam in planting these kind of stories to prepare the “ground for liberating” Iranians.

It amusing to see how these kind of news which could be best described as ugly rumours with non-existent or very unreliable data turn to official truth when it is repeated enough many times. Like many tales about Iraq and Saddam that were planted in the media.
 
NiT: Your 6:09 PM post refers.
In main I agree with your expressed sentiments. For example, regarding American servicemen I, too, would answer no, no and yes to your:
- Do they want to be in Iraq?
- Do they like being there?
- Would they rather be home with their families?

Likewise, I support your
"Is the life of an American worth more than an Iraqi? No"
"Is the life of an Iraqi worth more than an American? No"

I do not, however, believe anyone at this site scoffs at or pokes fun at the deaths of either Iraqis or any members of the 'coalition' forces. The difference perhaps resides in how the conflict is viewed. It is not a football match wherein one simply out of loyalty, history, or whatever, cheers for the victory of one side or the other. Nor is it a blood sport into which all contestants voluntarily have entered.

The conflict has been precipitated by an arrogant unforgiving invasion which has decimated the vast majority of the occupied country. Therefore, the concept of justice enters into the equation. Justice demands that the invaders depart. Justice demands that Iraq be restored to Iraqis. The 'coalition' forces must go. How do you suggest getting rid of them? Clearly those who sent these men and women are not getting the message. The entire situation is totally ghastly.

Cindy Sheehan is right. Not one more innocent life should be sacrificed to imperialism.
 
"I was told my son was killed in the war on terror. . .He was killed by George Bush's war of terror on the world."
Cindy challenges Bush to level with her: "You tell me the truth. You tell me that my son died for oil. You tell me that my son died to make your friends rich. You tell me my son died to spread the cancer of Pax Americana, imperialism in the Middle East. You tell me that, you don't tell me my son died for freedom and democracy."
 
There are many posts on here to catch up on!

Bang: no I am not British or American.

New in Town: thank you for replying to my post. Iraq is dying now day by day. Soon the country will be split, literally. Now the Kurds have autonomy, the Shia south wants the same.
They will never have that constitution ready in time! If it is ready then it will have many "cut corners"!
Someone recently told me "security under a dictator is preferable". It seems to be a platitude. My problem with that theory is that the majority of Iraqis did not have security under Saddam; unless security for the Kurds and Shia is in a mass grave? That is not fiction, it is fact.
The mess in Iraq is bound to benefit Israel more than anyone else. They are losing no life, they now have more security in the middle east region with the rift, and they have oil. Ultimately the US and Iraq will suffer. The UK will probably walk away unscathed. The bombs in London will make no difference in the long run as the Brits are used to terrorism on their land.

Yes I am sure that the US soldiers really would rather be at home. There will be some well-meaning and otherwise nice Americans killed over there in the next few days, along with many more innocent Iraqis.

I personally would never post images of people dying solely to irritate. For educational reasons? Maybe we all should look, but that is different.
In this case, I am sure that the post was solely aimed at upsetting TSHearns and Cheney. I think that is stooping to incredibly low levels. Using the death of any person to "get one over" is appalling.

I would doubt the identity of everyone posting here. Some reasons for posting here may be kosher, but I suspect that some people do have more deep-rooted and perhaps even shadowy motivation.

Simohurta: Come on! I could come on here and post in any foreign language! I could post in chinese if I wanted, but it does not mean I am Chinese! Such things are easily accessible on the web!
 
Evelyn: on the issue of racism?

It is just another "ism"! It is no more different or prevalent that any other "ism". Two weeks ago we had a large lady come in for a job interview. I know why she did not get the job. She was up against a relatively much more attractive lady (who was less impressive in knowledge and experience), but having heard the lewd comments made about the first lady, I am sure it was just her weight that stopped her from getting that job.

Just another "ism" for us all the contend with!
 
Evelyn: 'Not one more innocent life should be sacrificed to imperialism'

But we were quite prepared to sit back and accept this:

'more innocent life should be sacrificed to Saddam's form of Ba'athism'

Double standards
 
GB: Interesting thought that racism is simply one more "ism". I'll now be on the lookout for the media vilification of, say, short people and their ensuing public/private harassment in the context of the new "struggle against extremism".
 
Silent Bush drives past anti-war protesters (but shut his eyes tightly)
 
To New in Town who said 'With all due respect, your specific, targeted, well-back-up post about white Christians, and your previous countless posts regarding the evil of the west (US and UK) does seem to point to a particular attitude that you have.'

and to Garbage Belly who said 'I personally would never post images of people dying solely to irritate. For educational reasons? Maybe we all should look, but that is different.
In this case, I am sure that the post was solely aimed at upsetting TSHearns and Cheney. I think that is stooping to incredibly low levels. Using the death of any person to "get one over" is appalling."

Perhaps this article by Naomi Klein might enlighten you:
Terror's Greatest Recruitment Tool

 
Iymad, I have just checked your previous posts. Only 40% of the people at the meeting in Beirut have signed the declaration. I noticed that you have failed to state why.
Would you like to state the case for those who would not sign?
As we know, there are always 2 sides. Why do you not tell it?

As it happens, you and many of your message posters are overly-concerned with things that do not really concern most average Arabs that much.
Most ordinary Arabs (Muslim, Christian or otherwise) do not brood on high-brow conspiracy theories about the supposed Christian-Islam battles, or the "imperialism" of the US and its supposed empire building.
What did millions of Iraqi adults do recently? They voted for a government that represented them, not an insurgency bent on destroying Iraq aswell as the occupation and anything else that dares get in its way.

Arab intellectuals, like many of those in Beirut, may have the time and luxury to dwell on high-brow issues, but the average person has more pressing things to consider. The average Iraqi living in Iraq, will have no interest in what they had to say in Beirut.

Millions of Iraqis have voted with their feet and are deciding their fate, (not Iraqi intellectuals in Lebanon, many of whom do not even live in Iraq).

Issues at home have hurt the Arab and Muslim people (not America). You have all lived under repressive regimes for that long that any chance of political progression has disappeared. You have had no social modernization. In that climate, people get frustrated and put their energies into misguided activities. The problems in Muslim Arab countries have evolved from the inside.

There has been a lot of political reform throughout the middle east of late. Syria has been kicked out of Lebanon (as per wishes of the people), there is the Gaza pullout and Iraqis for the first time ever have been allowed to vote for what they want. They risked life and limb to do it but they got there in the end.

The next place to be reformed will be Iran. It is about time the warped ways of their government were brought to light. Onward Mr Bush!
 
Christian Soldier
Indeed, do Onward Bush to rapture, as soon as possible, would you?

 
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Thanks for the link, Dr. Khadduri. I'm rushing out to purchase my before-they-come-to-get-me membership.

"The rise of the religious zealot as politician is readily apparent not only in high-profile religious hucksters such as former attorney general John Ashcroft, Senator Rick Santorum, and the current occupant of the White House, but also in the emergence of a new group of faith-bearing politicians elected to the Senate — the 'opportunistic ayatollahs on the right.'"
 
Iymad, it is the good of the world. Saddam is dust and so is his compatriots. Bush is now on the throne for the good of us all. He sits at Gods right hand. God, the compassionate and merciful.
 
Iymad, what were the views of the 60% who failed to sign the declaration in Beirut? Pray tell
 
Given that the 'christian' lunatics may rapture us all, herewith memories of george and condi.
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CS: One thing you've got right. GBush indeed sits on the throne.
 
Evilin you have no choice but to accept it.
 
Condi is a great woman. She has all those Iraqi male politicians at her feet. They know their place.
 
Indeed they know 'their place': at their masters' feet!
 
"Citizen Cindy Sheehan is daring to do what no Member of the United States Congress has dared to do. She is daring to do what no TV Talking Head, no member of the White House Press Corps, no Supreme Court Justice, no Governor, no General, no Admiral, no Chairman of the Board of a Fortune 50, 100 or 500 company has dared to do.

"Citizen Cindy Sheehan is standing in the dusty road to the Fisher King's Little Chapel in the Prairie Ranch, in the hot sun and sweeping rains, and asking about this "noble cause," for which her beloved son Casey died."

 
Foe the third time

Iymad why did 60% of those at the Beirut meeting refuse to sign the declaration?
 
"If only his son could read."
"Trying to eliminate Saddam...would have incurred incalculable human and political costs . . . We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq... There was no viable 'exit strategy' . . . Furthermore, we had been consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-Cold War world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations' mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression that we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land."
(George Herbert Walker Bush)
 
A 65-year old broken-hearted Iraqi father: "There was an American patrol outside and then suddenly, a Bradley armoured vehicle burst through the gate and wall and drove over Yassin. You know how heavy these things are. He died instantly. He was lying crushed under the vehicle for 17 minutes. . . I told the American officer: 'You have killed the innocent and such things will lead the people to destroy you and the people will make a revolution against you. Do you know what the American said to me? He said, 'This is fate.'"

No, this is NOT 'fate'. This is Christian Soldier's god, at work - and, at play.
 
9/11, Casablanca, Bali, 7/7, Sharm al Sheek, Riyadh, Istanbul, Baghdad

No, this is NOT 'fate'. This is Muslim Soldier's god, at work - and, at play.
 
Christian foot soldier
Since you have posted your burning 'Trinity' query, and to assist you in halting your 'pray tell' vigil, I would kindly recommend that you don't exhaust yourself but rather save your energy for some real prayers for the salvation of some real devout Christians, like Bush and Condi.

The short answer to your triply stated query (though I fail to grasp why such a devout Christian as yourself might bother him/her self with such political innuendo, unless they meditate about it in their vespers), is that the Symposium was mainly to discuss Papers on the future of a Liberated Iraq. After the conclusion of that affair, the invitation was extended to those who wished to discuss the idea of a 'National Front' to stay.
The long answer is not for your likes.

 
Imad then there is a split, like there is in Iraq itself.
 
The violence that you condone will finish Iraq off. It will split into 3 different nations unless the resistance stop killing their own
 
garbage belly

The violence that you seem to disregard from the Ugly American is causing the rupture in Iraq.

How Can the US ever Win when Iraqi Children Die Like This?

Ever dare to contemplate that the American occupiers shoud leave? as Cindy Sheehan is asking?
 
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